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		<title>By: Cooking for the Mind &#171; Creativity&#039;s Workshop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cooking for the Mind &#171; Creativity&#039;s Workshop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 02:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Recently Jessica read a great post by Elizabeth King entitled You Cannot Sing If You Cannot Cook. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Links worth clicking &#124; Thoughtwrestling</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links worth clicking &#124; Thoughtwrestling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 09:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You Cannot Sing If You Cannot Cook &#8211; Elizabeth King writes about the value of learning more than one creative skill at a time. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brittany Laughlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany Laughlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 00:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I think having a strong focus is key. If you spend 80% of your week working on art, then you can spend 20% of your time outside of that discipline taking on new hobbies or learning. With many students unsure of what they want, if you don&#039;t know what you want to do with 80% of your time then its harder to reap the benefits of multiple activities. Everything becomes a distraction. Deciding on the foundation of your focus- art, business, writing, etc.- will allow you to apply new learning to that lens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I think having a strong focus is key. If you spend 80% of your week working on art, then you can spend 20% of your time outside of that discipline taking on new hobbies or learning. With many students unsure of what they want, if you don&#8217;t know what you want to do with 80% of your time then its harder to reap the benefits of multiple activities. Everything becomes a distraction. Deciding on the foundation of your focus- art, business, writing, etc.- will allow you to apply new learning to that lens.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Carson</title>
		<link>http://stayoutofschool.com/2010/07/you-cannot-sing-if-you-cannot-cook/#comment-312</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Carson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 18:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this! I&#039;m looking forward to sharing this post with colleagues and students. I teach in a new interdisciplinary program and from where I&#039;m standing, you&#039;ve hit a few nails on the head. A multi-faceted resume is a symptom of interdisciplinarity, not its cause. The power tool in all of this is the ability to make fluent, fluid connections between different experiences and expertise. If you can do that then you can leverage your unique variety of interests to build solutions others can&#039;t see. Imagine the benefits if you can also do that to collaborate with colleagues!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this! I&#8217;m looking forward to sharing this post with colleagues and students. I teach in a new interdisciplinary program and from where I&#8217;m standing, you&#8217;ve hit a few nails on the head. A multi-faceted resume is a symptom of interdisciplinarity, not its cause. The power tool in all of this is the ability to make fluent, fluid connections between different experiences and expertise. If you can do that then you can leverage your unique variety of interests to build solutions others can&#8217;t see. Imagine the benefits if you can also do that to collaborate with colleagues!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Dykeman</title>
		<link>http://stayoutofschool.com/2010/07/you-cannot-sing-if-you-cannot-cook/#comment-309</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Dykeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve previously written about the need for writers to read broadly because of all the additional influences, ideas and knowledge that comes from moving outside of a niche, so your post makes perfect sense to me.  And resume building activities often don&#039;t cut it because you don&#039;t get a chance to see the connections between activity A and activity B.

Sometimes we can find educational benefits through unforeseen connections.  For example, exposure to music theory can help reinforce mathematic theory by understanding the relationships between notes and ratios.

This is particularly timely since Newsweek published The Creativity Crisis earlier this month and I think there&#039;s room for building more thoughtful connections between learning activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve previously written about the need for writers to read broadly because of all the additional influences, ideas and knowledge that comes from moving outside of a niche, so your post makes perfect sense to me.  And resume building activities often don&#8217;t cut it because you don&#8217;t get a chance to see the connections between activity A and activity B.</p>
<p>Sometimes we can find educational benefits through unforeseen connections.  For example, exposure to music theory can help reinforce mathematic theory by understanding the relationships between notes and ratios.</p>
<p>This is particularly timely since Newsweek published The Creativity Crisis earlier this month and I think there&#8217;s room for building more thoughtful connections between learning activities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know you&#039;re always thinking about the big picture!  Just had admissions on my mind, is all :)  And I wanted a little clarification from you, which I got!  I think we&#039;re really in agreement, just arguing from different corners.  Just poking holes since that&#039;s my specialty :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know you&#8217;re always thinking about the big picture!  Just had admissions on my mind, is all <img src='http://stayoutofschool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   And I wanted a little clarification from you, which I got!  I think we&#8217;re really in agreement, just arguing from different corners.  Just poking holes since that&#8217;s my specialty <img src='http://stayoutofschool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@jenn Dude, I&#039;m not arguing two different things at all. Part of what I&#039;m saying is we give kids stupid checklists (checklists that sound a lot like what real multifaceted, interesting, super talented kids actually engage in) instead of teaching extremely gifted kids how to synthesize a life that actually *is* that multifaceted and interdisciplinary and letting average/above average kids really sink themselves into one/two/three things that are really meaningful. 

My point is that the list is just a list.... I personally do what feels like 20 different things (growing things, cooking, painting, sculpting, yoga, kettlebells, singing, reading philosophy, you-name-it....) in addition to my &quot;work,&quot; but that, admittedly, is not totally normal. However, you could match my &quot;resume&quot; up with some kid who&#039;s been loaded down with &quot;the checklist&quot; and, while our &quot;lists&quot; may look the same, our personal experiences of those other practices could be completely different (and I may be doing myself a favor by saying I&#039;m pretty in touch with what I&#039;m doing and why I&#039;m doing it). It&#039;s not about the list. We talk about it like it&#039;s the list. 

And this post isn&#039;t about admissions-- this post is about *adults*, our culture, how we spend our time, and finding real meaning. The only reason I brought up the kids in the first place is because we start &#039;em out with this mentality early. Only one section of the four talks about students at all--- it&#039;s just the culture most teenagers experience and the message we as adults send them. [...and I&#039;m trying to get *away* from college admissions talk because it makes me want to poke my eyes out occasionally....] 

HOWEVER, thank you for giving me such an exhaustive response. You&#039;re always always always welcome here.

(I&#039;m an idiot for not having nested this.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@jenn Dude, I&#8217;m not arguing two different things at all. Part of what I&#8217;m saying is we give kids stupid checklists (checklists that sound a lot like what real multifaceted, interesting, super talented kids actually engage in) instead of teaching extremely gifted kids how to synthesize a life that actually *is* that multifaceted and interdisciplinary and letting average/above average kids really sink themselves into one/two/three things that are really meaningful. </p>
<p>My point is that the list is just a list&#8230;. I personally do what feels like 20 different things (growing things, cooking, painting, sculpting, yoga, kettlebells, singing, reading philosophy, you-name-it&#8230;.) in addition to my &#8220;work,&#8221; but that, admittedly, is not totally normal. However, you could match my &#8220;resume&#8221; up with some kid who&#8217;s been loaded down with &#8220;the checklist&#8221; and, while our &#8220;lists&#8221; may look the same, our personal experiences of those other practices could be completely different (and I may be doing myself a favor by saying I&#8217;m pretty in touch with what I&#8217;m doing and why I&#8217;m doing it). It&#8217;s not about the list. We talk about it like it&#8217;s the list. </p>
<p>And this post isn&#8217;t about admissions&#8211; this post is about *adults*, our culture, how we spend our time, and finding real meaning. The only reason I brought up the kids in the first place is because we start &#8216;em out with this mentality early. Only one section of the four talks about students at all&#8212; it&#8217;s just the culture most teenagers experience and the message we as adults send them. [...and I'm trying to get *away* from college admissions talk because it makes me want to poke my eyes out occasionally....] </p>
<p>HOWEVER, thank you for giving me such an exhaustive response. You&#8217;re always always always welcome here.</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m an idiot for not having nested this.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 22:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do I always feel an irresistible urge to chime on your posts?  Must be because you&#039;ve always got something interesting to say!

Maybe I&#039;m missing something, but I feel a little that you&#039;re arguing two different things here.  On one hand, you&#039;re against the shotgun, well rounded approach because students aren&#039;t devoting enough time to one thing they&#039;re passionate about.  On the other hand, you&#039;re saying that we all need to be less single minded in our passions, because having wider interests you enjoy can make your creations (work, art, etc.) better.  So which is it?  

As always, I&#039;m thinking about teens and college.  I&#039;m a volunteer alumni interviewer for my alma mater, which often gives me an opportunity to get some insight into the admissions process.  My college has jumped on the recent trend of &quot;angular admissions.&quot;  My husband recently wrote a blog post on it here:  https://www.word-nerd.com/pt/blog/default.aspx?id=9&amp;t=What-are-angular-college-admissions  In a nutshell, the former emphasis on well-rounded students has been usurped by a focus on &quot;angular&quot; students who pursue only one primary interest.  I suspect this approach is a backlash to the &quot;overscheduled child&quot; epidemic.  Kids are forced into karate, foreign languages, multiple sports teams, dance and/or music from birth, in the hopes of improving their admissions profile.  When every applicant looks exactly the same as all the others, I can&#039;t blame admissions officers for seeking something distinguishing!  

Even though I understand it, I can&#039;t say I&#039;m a fan of angular admissions.  I think it will shift talented kids into sinking all of their time and energy into one activity (and likely one chosen by their parents instead of themselves).  The goal is to become truly proficient in one area, but you&#039;re necessarily sacrificing interest in other things by doing so.  The end result is a student that may be a virtuoso violinist, but one who has not devoted any time to other valuable pursuits like athletics, volunteerism, reading, etc.  I know I would not have wanted to have such a one-dimensional girl as my college roommate!  If you can&#039;t converse intelligently on anything beyond the violin, how can you be expected to make use of the many opportunities college offers?  You can argue that intense practice and focus are the only way to master a skill, but you leave yourself without much of a life if you spend every moment in the same activity.  I fear that the student body at my alma mater is actually going to be much less diverse than before, lacking a capacity to see the world from a variety of perspectives.  Or worse, the students will finally be free from their childhood &quot;passion,&quot; but find themselves without anything to take its place.

Perhaps the middle ground is choosing multiple activities that you&#039;re truly interested in, rather than indiscriminately joining every club available in the pursuit of a &quot;well rounded&quot; application.  An emphasis on quantity (both too few and too many) should give way to an emphasis on quality and variety (fewer activities, but ones you truly enjoy).  This approach can serve kids well into adulthood, when time is limited by demands of work and family.  Parents take note!

Thanks Elizabeth for a terrific post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do I always feel an irresistible urge to chime on your posts?  Must be because you&#8217;ve always got something interesting to say!</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m missing something, but I feel a little that you&#8217;re arguing two different things here.  On one hand, you&#8217;re against the shotgun, well rounded approach because students aren&#8217;t devoting enough time to one thing they&#8217;re passionate about.  On the other hand, you&#8217;re saying that we all need to be less single minded in our passions, because having wider interests you enjoy can make your creations (work, art, etc.) better.  So which is it?  </p>
<p>As always, I&#8217;m thinking about teens and college.  I&#8217;m a volunteer alumni interviewer for my alma mater, which often gives me an opportunity to get some insight into the admissions process.  My college has jumped on the recent trend of &#8220;angular admissions.&#8221;  My husband recently wrote a blog post on it here:  <a href="https://www.word-nerd.com/pt/blog/default.aspx?id=9&#038;t=What-are-angular-college-admissions" rel="nofollow">https://www.word-nerd.com/pt/blog/default.aspx?id=9&#038;t=What-are-angular-college-admissions</a>  In a nutshell, the former emphasis on well-rounded students has been usurped by a focus on &#8220;angular&#8221; students who pursue only one primary interest.  I suspect this approach is a backlash to the &#8220;overscheduled child&#8221; epidemic.  Kids are forced into karate, foreign languages, multiple sports teams, dance and/or music from birth, in the hopes of improving their admissions profile.  When every applicant looks exactly the same as all the others, I can&#8217;t blame admissions officers for seeking something distinguishing!  </p>
<p>Even though I understand it, I can&#8217;t say I&#8217;m a fan of angular admissions.  I think it will shift talented kids into sinking all of their time and energy into one activity (and likely one chosen by their parents instead of themselves).  The goal is to become truly proficient in one area, but you&#8217;re necessarily sacrificing interest in other things by doing so.  The end result is a student that may be a virtuoso violinist, but one who has not devoted any time to other valuable pursuits like athletics, volunteerism, reading, etc.  I know I would not have wanted to have such a one-dimensional girl as my college roommate!  If you can&#8217;t converse intelligently on anything beyond the violin, how can you be expected to make use of the many opportunities college offers?  You can argue that intense practice and focus are the only way to master a skill, but you leave yourself without much of a life if you spend every moment in the same activity.  I fear that the student body at my alma mater is actually going to be much less diverse than before, lacking a capacity to see the world from a variety of perspectives.  Or worse, the students will finally be free from their childhood &#8220;passion,&#8221; but find themselves without anything to take its place.</p>
<p>Perhaps the middle ground is choosing multiple activities that you&#8217;re truly interested in, rather than indiscriminately joining every club available in the pursuit of a &#8220;well rounded&#8221; application.  An emphasis on quantity (both too few and too many) should give way to an emphasis on quality and variety (fewer activities, but ones you truly enjoy).  This approach can serve kids well into adulthood, when time is limited by demands of work and family.  Parents take note!</p>
<p>Thanks Elizabeth for a terrific post.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Obrien</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Obrien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 04:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of people ask me why I don&#039;t attend more career related events after work. I think your post sums up exactly why. I spend much of my time working at work, that I need the excess time to dive into other areas so they can inspire me to be the best I can be. I can think of a complex analogy involving a sphere, light source, and mirror to further support this, but it&#039;s too late and I am far to lazy to type it out. ;)

I am not sure though that I have a &quot;cooking&quot; in my life. I just generally love to learn. Sometimes it&#039;s normal things like Greek mythology or architecture (which came in handy interpreting Inception-FYI). Sometimes is bizarre things studying death cults or building home made hover crafts.  I find the more I push outside of my standard circle of cognitive processing, the more I am able to change my perspective on something. And with each change or perspective,  I am able to view a project  from different angles. Challenges are overcome because I am able to shine the additional mental light to solve them. 

Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of people ask me why I don&#8217;t attend more career related events after work. I think your post sums up exactly why. I spend much of my time working at work, that I need the excess time to dive into other areas so they can inspire me to be the best I can be. I can think of a complex analogy involving a sphere, light source, and mirror to further support this, but it&#8217;s too late and I am far to lazy to type it out. <img src='http://stayoutofschool.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I am not sure though that I have a &#8220;cooking&#8221; in my life. I just generally love to learn. Sometimes it&#8217;s normal things like Greek mythology or architecture (which came in handy interpreting Inception-FYI). Sometimes is bizarre things studying death cults or building home made hover crafts.  I find the more I push outside of my standard circle of cognitive processing, the more I am able to change my perspective on something. And with each change or perspective,  I am able to view a project  from different angles. Challenges are overcome because I am able to shine the additional mental light to solve them. </p>
<p>Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 00:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shelly Kramer told me I&#039;d love this post and she was right! It&#039;s so easy in our culture of specialization to get caught in this trap  - trying to fit all of the layers of life into the weekend while forcing ourselves into the straitjacket of some narrowly focused notion of &quot;the breadwinner,&quot; &quot;the manager,&quot; the corporate employee,&quot; the good wife and mother,&quot; all the rest of the week. And doing this - we lose what makes us special, what makes us real, approachable, interesting and whole. By doing this we lose our lives. We don&#039;t enjoy the weekends, which are too tightly packed to really experience any of the things we cram into them and we move through our work and family life like robots moving through swinging doors - punching time clocks, meeting deadlines and quotas and watching the finish line move farther and farther away.

What would happen if, instead, everyone learned to &#039;cook&#039;? What if we brought our musical instruments to the office and started a band? What if we rode our bicycles to school or to work? What if we grew our own vegetables in compost that we made from our own kitchen scraps and, instead of watching TV, we invited friends in - on a Tuesday evening (imagine!) to enjoy the feast? 

You&#039;ve inspired me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelly Kramer told me I&#8217;d love this post and she was right! It&#8217;s so easy in our culture of specialization to get caught in this trap  &#8211; trying to fit all of the layers of life into the weekend while forcing ourselves into the straitjacket of some narrowly focused notion of &#8220;the breadwinner,&#8221; &#8220;the manager,&#8221; the corporate employee,&#8221; the good wife and mother,&#8221; all the rest of the week. And doing this &#8211; we lose what makes us special, what makes us real, approachable, interesting and whole. By doing this we lose our lives. We don&#8217;t enjoy the weekends, which are too tightly packed to really experience any of the things we cram into them and we move through our work and family life like robots moving through swinging doors &#8211; punching time clocks, meeting deadlines and quotas and watching the finish line move farther and farther away.</p>
<p>What would happen if, instead, everyone learned to &#8216;cook&#8217;? What if we brought our musical instruments to the office and started a band? What if we rode our bicycles to school or to work? What if we grew our own vegetables in compost that we made from our own kitchen scraps and, instead of watching TV, we invited friends in &#8211; on a Tuesday evening (imagine!) to enjoy the feast? </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve inspired me.</p>
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